Shador , What part of SC are you from? I live in Anderson.
Jack
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How would you spend your time?
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how would you spend the remaining time?
if the event was considered possibly survivable by maybe a few million what action, if any would you take?
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How would you spend your time?
by Jack C. inlet's say it was revealed via the media and scientific community that a planet wide catastrophe such as a large comet or asteroid impact or even a brush with a large planetary body or black hole was emminant and that it was certain to devistate the planet in say 18 months.
how would you spend the remaining time?
if the event was considered possibly survivable by maybe a few million what action, if any would you take?
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Let's say it was revealed via the media and scientific community that a planet wide catastrophe such as a large comet or asteroid impact or even a brush with a large planetary body or black hole was emminant and that it was certain to devistate the planet in say 18 months. How would you spend the remaining time? If the event was considered possibly survivable by maybe a few million what action, if any would you take? What do you think the reaction of the witnesses would be, as if I didn't know?
Jack
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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Thanks tec. Let me know what you think about it, either pro or con.
Jack
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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I mentioned this you tube presentation earlier in the thread but it is highly pertanent to the subject being discussed. Don't worry this is not some kind of boring fundy religious blather or bible apologist that most of us shudder to think of. I'm not trying to villify the speaker in any way either; it's about the information he presents. As I said earlier, it will radically change your perception of things if you aren't already aware of the info, most people aren't.
Sorry but for some reason I can't get the hyperlink option to work so copy and paste this link to your browser. If it doesn't work for some reason go to youtube and put Jordon maxwell astrotheology in the search box. There are several copies of the same presentation listed, go to the one that has the entire presentation on one video.
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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For what it's worth:
Atheism counts on the non existence of deity and feeds on the existence of religion.
Religion feeds on the belief in deity and exploits the existence of atheism.
Deism depends, counts and feeds on the existence of deity, debates with atheism while painfully aware of the existence of religion.
The Deity is aware of the existence of deism, atheism and religion but depends on none of them to exist.
All debatable of course
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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Entirelypossibe said: "However, what you refer to is time dialation, not time travel. If you refer to being able to skip forwards or backwards in time or change the direction of the arrow of time then no, that has NOT been proven. It always amuses me when fundies try to talk science and get it consistently wrong."
First of all belief in a deity does not equal fundamentalism, duh. Second you are dead wrong in your statement about time dialation/travel. The faster any object travels relative to the earth the faster said object (or person) travels in time. This was postulated by Einstein in the 1920's and proven in the 60's by actual experiment. Your science is wrong. Go back and redo your homework.
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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Onethewayout said:"I also wanted to point out that your comment on "openminded" suggests something- that atheists need to consider that the fairytale God of the Bible is real."
This is not what I meant at all. In fact I prefer that any preconcieved personal charactoristics of a universal creator should not be a point of discussion. It would only be relevent to someone who already knew or believed that said creator was real. Why can't debate about a creators existence be centered just around scientific and philosophical reasoning and not preconceived religious and cultural ideas?
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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Onthewayout , pink unicorns, flying spaghetti monsters and Odin are all fairytale strawmen. I didn't intend this thread to turn into a discussion about the existence of a creator. Although I believe in such existence and enjoy rational discussion about it, I feel no obligation to prove such existence to anyone. It's up to each person is his or her own way to decide.
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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Leaving , time dialation (time travel) has been proven. The theory of special relativity predicted it and time dialation must be compensated for every day with global positioning satelites.
As far as the bible is concerned I think that most people, especially fundamentalist christians aren't even aware of what it really means. it's actually one of the most fascinating reads in the world if you understand that it's actually trying to tell the reader a hidden story. the bible, with some exception is a metaphorical story that is repeated over and over in religious texts of nearly all belief systems on the planet. It's the story of the zodiac and the precession of the equinox's. Jesus and his 12 apostles are representations of the 12 signs of the zodiac with it's master, the Sun. This is repeated with the 12 tribes of Israel with Moses as the master as well as Joseph and his 12 brothers This may seem insignificant and trivial but when you undertand what the story is really about it hits you right between the eyes. I'm not trying to be mysterious or holier than thou like I know something very "spiritual", it's just that it takes a little research and patience to discover. Just one of the places to check out is on youtube. Just type in Jordan Maxwell astrotheology. There are many duplications of this presentation so be sure you see the complete 9 part series. Take a chance and about an hour and check it out. This isn't a regurgitation of religious BS; quite the opposite. If you don't already know the story it can be quite shocking. I promise it's worth your time.
Osbrad, I somewhat agree with your assesment, certainly the first group. There are issues even with most respected scientists that there's really no need to argue over. Evolution while it iscertainly a part of scientific fact, has legitimate issues that are far from being resolved. It's like the big bang theory. Many scientists are bailing out of the original concept of the singularity as the mother of everything to an infinite and eternal multiverse, with other universes being the point of origin of our particular universe. This is quite a diversion from the original theory. Even the long held "fact" that the earth wobbles on it's axis, causing the precession of the equinox's is now in question. There is evidence now that the sun and solar system are on a curved path through space creating the same effect as planetary wobble, (due to the sun having a binary twin as do most stars). The ancients seemed to actually be aware of this as well as the possible consiquences. This is actually part of the story told in the bible by means of the zodiac I was mentioning above. Watch the documentary "The Great Year" with James Earl Jones as narrator on you tube. Make sure you see all 5 parts.
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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This is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists. I enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers. As a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists. I tend to react the same way with the fundies even though I am convinced of the Creators existence. One of the criticisms I have is that many athiests cannot resist using the bible and religion as a strawman. I find this most evident in the comments and literature of R. Dawkins. How much do you, the atheists here on the board base your own personal disbelief on the bible and religion? In your discussions do you prefer using the bible and religion as part or most of your argument or do you prefer debate purely on scientific and philisophical grounds?Are you totaly convinced of your position or are you openminded and occasionally consider that your position could be wrong; possibly even hope you are?
Jack